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2019 Grand Wagoneer: What To Expect



Body-On-Frame

At the very core of what a Wagoneer successor should be is based around its structure and platform. Thankfully Sergio Marchionne (FCA CEO) confirmed early 2017 that we will indeed get a body-on-frame to be built in Detroit at the same production facility the new RAM 1500 is built in. Over the coming weeks as more information comes out about the all-new RAM 1500, hopefully with that we will gain insight on what else to expect of the upcoming Wagoneer. Expect the recipe to be similar to what GM's.

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DETROIT -- Fiat Chrysler has dramatically altered its product course and will now bring its new Jeep Grand Wagoneer back to life as a body-on-frame SUV, after nearly two years of claiming that it would be unibody like almost all other luxury nameplates.

In comments to reporters at the Detroit auto show, FCA CEO Sergio Marchionne confirmed Monday that the company now plans to build both a Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer as body-on-frame vehicles. The new SUVs will be built at a retooled Warren Truck Assembly plant in suburban Detroit, which now builds the current-generation Ram 1500.

The abrupt switch in product plans is likely to mean that the automaker’s dream of a $140,000 Grand Wagoneer to compete against the Range Rover, as laid out in November by Jeep brand boss Mike Manley, won’t happen.

Instead, a much less expensive luxury Jeep is likely aimed at General Motors’ profitable Chevy Tahoe family of body-on-frame SUVs. Marchionne has previously said that he coveted the profits GM generates from its large SUVs.

The switch is likely good news for FCA dealers, who faced the prospect of having a very expensive vehicle in their inventory without a natural customer base in that price range.

Right now, the highest-priced Jeep -- the unibody 2017 Grand Cherokee SRT -- starts at $67,890, including shipping. A body-on-frame three-row Grand Wagoneer is more likely to stay closer to the brand’s initial price estimates of $100,000 and sell in higher volumes, at least in the U.S.
- Automotive News
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Design

Design is the biggest question right now given the fact we haven't seen a Wagoneer in decades and Jeep has slowly entered a new era of design. Fortunately a new full-size hybrid Jeep SUV destined for China has been surfacing online wearing design that might reflect what a U.S.-market Wagoneer could look like. If Jeep follows the current trend of car makers creating global products then it could be safe to say this is the Wagoneer.

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The Jeep Yuntu Concept made its debut this week at the 2017 Shanghai auto show. The seven-seat, plug-in hybrid SUV concept was crafted for Chinese tastes. Before you ask, no, it’s not for the U.S. — well, at least not for now.

“SUVs are the fastest-growing segment in China and the Jeep Yuntu Concept showcases the potential for the Jeep brand to keep expanding in the country,” said FCA in a statement.

Yuntu translates roughly into “cloud map” in English. The snow-white concept Jeep sports sharp, clean lines, slim LED headlights and taillights, a chrome grille, golden bronze flourishes, and suicide doors.

Inside, the Yuntu offers up plenty of blonde wood trim on the dash, steering wheel, and center console. There’s a large color video display touchscreen that seems to stretch from the driver’s side all the way to the passenger’s glove box.

It also sports a funky gearshift knob, captain’s chairs with built-in monitors, and more golden trim highlights all around.
- MotorTrend
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Powertrains

During this era of the automotive world, no new full-sized vehicle can get away from some sort of eco-friendly powertrain. The Pacific Plug-In Hybrid was our first look at what FCA is capable of and overall it failed to disappoint, although all-electric range (33 miles) can be improved. Being the first RWD (with optional 4WD) hybrid from FCA likely with different wheelbase lengths, a desirable hybrid powertrain should see a bump in cylinders up from the Pacifica's 3.6-liter Pentastar V6.

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Jeep’s upcoming push into the luxury market with the 2019 Grand Wagoneer will also enter new territory with a hybrid variant. Jeep brand chief Mike Manley said that, considering the timeline of the Wagoneer’s debut (expected for 2018), some level of electrification will be a “required” part of the lineup and strongly hinted that the gasoline-electric version of the SUV will use a plug-in hybrid powertrain. Already, the Volvo XC90, BMW X5, and Porsche Cayenne all offer plug-in-hybrid variants.

The next-generation Jeep Wrangler is also slated to offer a hybrid powertrain, so it stands to reason that the two SUVs will share some components such as electric motors and/or battery packs. It’s possible that the Jeep hybrids could use elements of the Chrysler Pacifica plug-in hybrid’s drivetrain, too. Some changes will be necessary, however, considering that the Pacifica rides on a front-wheel-drive platform and the Jeeps will be rear-drive based, with four-wheel drive a necessity.

Current estimates place the repeatedly delayed Grand Wagoneer’s arrival sometime in 2018 as a 2019 model. Manley said the company is still evaluating whether to offer a choice of wheelbase lengths for the Grand Wagoneer. The vehicle is expected to use a version of the next-generation Grand Cherokee’s platform and will offer three rows of seats. In addition to the hybrid, Chrysler’s Hemi V-8 engine likely will be on the menu for those who consider a plug-in hybrid and a large luxury SUV incompatible notions.
- CarAndDriver
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Release Date

AllPar along with other automotive publications are pointing at Fall 2019 as the official launch date due to how production of the Wagoneer correlates to that all-new RAM 1500. As soon as RAM 1500 production ceases, production of the Wagoneer should begin months later. Still no word on whether we will get different wheelbase lengths but looking at what its up against, it might be one of the best choices Jeep makes as a global product now that China and other emerging markets need to be considered.

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Current estimates place the repeatedly delayed Grand Wagoneer’s arrival sometime in 2018 as a 2019 model. Manley said the company is still evaluating whether to offer a choice of wheelbase lengths for the Grand Wagoneer. The vehicle is expected to use a version of the next-generation Grand Cherokee’s platform and will offer three rows of seats. In addition to the hybrid, Chrysler’s Hemi V-8 engine likely will be on the menu for those who consider a plug-in hybrid and a large luxury SUV incompatible notions.
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According to Allpar sources, the Jeep Wagoneer was originally scheduled for a 2015-model-year launch. Not only wasn’t it ready then, though, but there was no production capability, with both Ram and Grand Cherokee/Durango plants at their peak.

The next possible date was 2019; but the Ram 1500 program was pushed back a year so Sterling Heights could be converted to make Rams. Warren is set to be converted in the winter of 2018-2019 — pushed back from the original schedule so they can keep making the current Ram 1500s, while Sterling Heights slowly ramps up the next-generation Ram 1500. That should help avoid, or at least minimize, quality issues.

Thus, once Ram 1500 (DS) finishes up at Warren, the plant will shut down for about four months; and then the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer (WS) should launch in Fall 2019, as 2020 models — as far as we can tell. Heavy duty Rams will show up next — though they are likely to continue in production in Mexico, as well.
- AllPar

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I had no idea that Jeep originally planned on releasing the Wagoneer in the $150k price bracket, to directly compete with the Range Rover. Its going to be a tough sell for Jeep even at the $100k mark if it doesn't offer the performance of the SRT or the off road capability of the Wrangler. What exactly are you getting to justify this $100k vehicle? Luxury features?
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That's pretty much how they were going to justify the price tag, extra comfort features in an off-roading package. I'd assume most wouldn't go for the hybrid and head straight for the gas or diesel options. Maybe the pricing is palatable if the Wagoneer had a 3.0-litre V6 diesels or a turbocharged 3.8-litre V8.
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